Comments on: Shame on Layton, Duceppe & Harper: May should be in the debates http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/ Paul's Socialist Investigations Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:43:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Bob http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15052 Bob Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:24:50 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15052 Maybe the Dion twins can have their own debate, play patty cake and skip rope, and tell each other how special they are. Maybe the Dion twins can have their own debate, play patty cake and skip rope, and tell each other how special they are.

]]> By: carole http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15050 carole Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:57:16 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15050 i agree with your comments Paul and feel the same sentiment as PeBo in that a vote for greens would send a strong message to those politicians who are so filled with themselves that they disallow our democratic principles. i agree with your comments Paul and feel the same sentiment as PeBo in that a vote for greens would send a strong message to those politicians who are so filled with themselves that they disallow our democratic principles.

]]> By: -PeBo- http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15049 -PeBo- Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:12:41 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15049 If nothing more, a strong show of support by left leaning Canadians will ensure Mr Harper does not get the majority that he so obviously lusts after. The Liberals under Mr Dion (god love him) are completely ineffectual, and will never engage the electorate enough to hold Mr Harper at bay. I think we all realize this. Dapper-Dan Layton is a plastic embarrassment to the left who would gladly sell his soul to Mr Harper if it gets him a smiley sound bite on the evening news. I humbly ask all those who would normally not vote, or who usually vote for another peripheral party (I hate the words fringe or extremist) to mark the spot next to the Green candidate in this election. Let us send a message that in Canada, Democracy is not so easily usurped. If nothing more, a strong show of support by left leaning Canadians will ensure Mr Harper does not get the majority that he so obviously lusts after. The Liberals under Mr Dion (god love him) are completely ineffectual, and will never engage the electorate enough to hold Mr Harper at bay. I think we all realize this. Dapper-Dan Layton is a plastic embarrassment to the left who would gladly sell his soul to Mr Harper if it gets him a smiley sound bite on the evening news.

I humbly ask all those who would normally not vote, or who usually vote for another peripheral party (I hate the words fringe or extremist) to mark the spot next to the Green candidate in this election. Let us send a message that in Canada, Democracy is not so easily usurped.

]]> By: PeterC http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15048 PeterC Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:12:01 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15048 Ignoring, of course, the fact that none of those other parties recieved any election funding. The 2% bar might be a bit low, although the <a href="http://www.cpcml.ca/Tmld2006/D36153.htm#1" rel="nofollow">courts</a> seem to disagree. Or we could talk about the number of candidates, BQ has what, a third as many as of today and I expect the greens will run at least 300. No, by any metric, May should be in the debate. So don't confuse the issue with your straw man. Ignoring, of course, the fact that none of those other parties recieved any election funding.

The 2% bar might be a bit low, although the courts seem to disagree. Or we could talk about the number of candidates, BQ has what, a third as many as of today and I expect the greens will run at least 300. No, by any metric, May should be in the debate. So don’t confuse the issue with your straw man.

]]> By: G-ranical http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15047 G-ranical Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:52:36 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15047 I like lazy communists as much as the next guy(no I don't, that's a lie) but this article is definitely favouring the absurd idea of filling a realistic debate with partisan hacks who have no chance of gaining significant votes. All the parties you mentioned near the end of the article should have a voice, and this voice is their own responsibility to promote. Other voices that didn't make the list? Every other extremist party worthy of a name.(http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=extremists+parties+Canada&btnG=Search&meta=) www.canada-rant.blogspot.com G-ranical I like lazy communists as much as the next guy(no I don’t, that’s a lie) but this article is definitely favouring the absurd idea of filling a realistic debate with partisan hacks who have no chance of gaining significant votes.

All the parties you mentioned near the end of the article should have a voice, and this voice is their own responsibility to promote.

Other voices that didn’t make the list?

Every other extremist party worthy of a name.(http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=extremists+parties+Canada&btnG=Search&meta=)

http://www.canada-rant.blogspot.com

G-ranical

]]> By: Red Fred http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15046 Red Fred Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:43:11 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15046 My thoughts echo yours exactly, Paul. Very well said. Nice to have you back. The Greens and the NDP ought to turn this into a debate on proportional representation - always a favorite topic around election time. Half a million Maritime voters send 25 MPs to the HoC, half a million Green voters got zero seats; no representation. We need a fair vote. My thoughts echo yours exactly, Paul. Very well said. Nice to have you back.

The Greens and the NDP ought to turn this into a debate on proportional representation – always a favorite topic around election time.
Half a million Maritime voters send 25 MPs to the HoC, half a million Green voters got zero seats; no representation. We need a fair vote.

]]> By: marcel http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15045 marcel Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:47:48 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15045 I agree 100% Paul. BTW Nice to see you back again, and, if you don't mind me saying so, you're on FIRE bro!!! Good stuff!! Keep it up, we need you. I agree 100% Paul. BTW Nice to see you back again, and, if you don’t mind me saying so, you’re on FIRE bro!!!

Good stuff!! Keep it up, we need you.

]]> By: spurs http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15044 spurs Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:35:11 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15044 I share your indignation; however, I wouldn't so hastily praise Dion. His decision to support May's inclusion in the leadership debates doesn't seem to me to have sprung out of respect for democracy, but from far more pragmatic and self-serving concerns. Off topic, sort of. To the extent that under our parliamentary and electoral systems we are asked to vote for a local representative to carry our concerns forward, why so much focus on national leaders? Why not more focus on policies, ideologies, and all candidates debates in contributing to an informed electorate? I share your indignation; however, I wouldn’t so hastily praise Dion. His decision to support May’s inclusion in the leadership debates doesn’t seem to me to have sprung out of respect for democracy, but from far more pragmatic and self-serving concerns.

Off topic, sort of. To the extent that under our parliamentary and electoral systems we are asked to vote for a local representative to carry our concerns forward, why so much focus on national leaders? Why not more focus on policies, ideologies, and all candidates debates in contributing to an informed electorate?

]]> By: SECA Newsletter http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15043 SECA Newsletter Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:25:18 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15043 It is both shameful and highly undemocratic, no matter what your opinion of the GP. We should not forget this slimy attack on freedom. It is both shameful and highly undemocratic, no matter what your opinion of the GP. We should not forget this slimy attack on freedom.

]]> By: Jim Johnston http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15042 Jim Johnston Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:49:59 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15042 Excellent post. Democracy begins with an informed electorate. Excellent post. Democracy begins with an informed electorate.

]]> By: Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: Layton and Harper are Yellow http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15041 Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: Layton and Harper are Yellow Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:45:53 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15041 [...] you think. Dave knows who is scared, and why. James says the old kind of strong is what Layton is. Paul may be communist, but that doesn’t mean he’s against democracy like certain party [...] [...] you think. Dave knows who is scared, and why. James says the old kind of strong is what Layton is. Paul may be communist, but that doesn’t mean he’s against democracy like certain party [...]

]]> By: Beijing York http://paulitics.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/shame-on-layton-duceppe-harper-may-should-be-in-the-debates/#comment-15040 Beijing York Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:11:20 +0000 http://paulitics.wordpress.com/?p=887#comment-15040 Bravo! This is not about whether you endorse the Green Party or not, it is about embracing the spirit of democracy. Bravo! This is not about whether you endorse the Green Party or not, it is about embracing the spirit of democracy.

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